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  • RIPP vs. Magnuson...SuperCharger Shootout!

    You knew it was coming. Its finally here. We are going to turn these to SuperCharger heavy weights loose against one another in a battery of tests. Lets get to know the competitors.



    Reigning Champ - Black Betty. She's and internet celebrity, been on the cutting edge of prototype gear for the last 2 years. She'll be representing RIPP SuperChargers in this all out throw down. She is a Rubicon Unlimited with 4.10 gearing and for the purposes of these tests, she will shed her 37'' KM2s in favor of BFG Kms 255/75r17. (stock Rubi tires)



    The Challenger - Sweet Pea / Pea Soup'd. Yes she's got two names, one from us, and the other from one of our readers. She's essentially brand new. 2013 JKUR all stock everything....Except her Magnuson SuperCharger.



    Whats the difference? Two routes to the same end. MORE POWER. its widely known that there is really no way to add punch to your JEEP JK without taking drastic measures. We have done the dyno testing on intakes and exhausts. The sound changes, but not much else. If you really want to unleash the beast that is your pentastar JK motor, we are paving the road for you.
    This article was originally published in forum thread: RIPP vs. Magnuson...SuperCharger Shootout! started by JeepLab View original post
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    1. Deola's Avatar
      Deola -
      Never mind the company who's 3.6 sc I already have had for months just convinced me to never buy from them again. Since they are on their 2nd tune on the jku and still can't get it right. I could even live with that, as I understand that the product is new. Even though their test jku is the exact same setup and they claim it's reliability is superior. Anyways what sealed the deal was I have left messages beginning over a month ago via phone and email and have yet to be contacted. Yet when I inquired about purchasing a second sc kit my call was returned within the hour....
    1. JeepLab's Avatar
      JeepLab -
      Quote Originally Posted by Deola View Post
      Never mind the company who's 3.6 sc I already have had for months just convinced me to never buy from them again. Since they are on their 2nd tune on the jku and still can't get it right. I could even live with that, as I understand that the product is new. Even though their test jku is the exact same setup and they claim it's reliability is superior. Anyways what sealed the deal was I have left messages beginning over a month ago via phone and email and have yet to be contacted. Yet when I inquired about purchasing a second sc kit my call was returned within the hour....
      Don't give up hope. Pm me your details and I'll try to help you get it sorted out. Any sc is too expensive to not be happy with the purchase.
    1. Deola's Avatar
      Deola -
      Oh I'm working on it now, just saying I won't be getting anything else from them because once they got paid they quit being responsive.
    1. Snarf77's Avatar
      Snarf77 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Deola View Post
      Oh I'm working on it now, just saying I won't be getting anything else from them because once they got paid they quit being responsive.
      That seems fairly abnormal for any company. Hopefully you PM'd Ross; I know he'd help try to figure out what happened.
    1. JeepLab's Avatar
      JeepLab -
      Ok this test is in the books. Here's what you can't tell from the video -

      The two units run almost the same time. How they run it is different. The power delivery with the Magnuson with their torque curve is different from the RIPP. Both are very fast. The Mag is like a freight train the moment you hit the gas. Power is even and seems to build endlessly. You can see that from their horsepower curve that we couldn't get to "crest" at 6500 rpm. (in the magnuson thread)

      The RIPP on the other hand is more finesse power as you mash the gas pedal. More delicate at first, then the power build over 3k rpm is steeper than the Magnuson for more of a "shot out of a canon" feeling.

      Had the trucks been side by side, I think the Mag would have lept out in front at first, and then the RIPP would have closed the gap as the blower goes nuts in the higher side of the RPM band.

      As far as who would win a race? I think it would come down to the pilot.
    1. Deola's Avatar
      Deola -
      Have you or anyone else on here run the ripp on a 3.6 auto with gears?
    1. JeepLab's Avatar
      JeepLab -
      Ross (RIPP)'s sahara tan JK is an auto with 4.88s I could get info on that if there is something specific you want to know
    1. Deola's Avatar
      Deola -
      Quote Originally Posted by JeepLab View Post
      Ross (RIPP)'s sahara tan JK is an auto with 4.88s I could get info on that if there is something specific you want to know
      4.56 here and it shifts fine in 'manual' mode, but when left in D and full throttle it hesitates when shifting in all except when going from first to aecond. This hesitation is only at full throttle, but last as long as it takes to completely unspool the vortech. I've already contacted ripp already multiple times and even pulled the tune out and reinstalled it. They suggested it was the procal so I pulled it and reinstalled it. No change either time. This 1-2 second stall isn't very welcome when passing. I have a short video of it if I can load it I will.
    1. Deola's Avatar
      Deola -
      Works great with auto stick and 4.56s though.
    1. Snarf77's Avatar
      Snarf77 -
      Quote Originally Posted by Deola View Post
      Works great with auto stick and 4.56s though.
      5.9 seconds! HOT!
    1. UselessPickles's Avatar
      UselessPickles -
      So how about the dyno chart comparison? Have you put all the comparison stuff on hold until you get caught up with the new Prodigy turbo so you can make this a threesome?
    1. JeepLab's Avatar
      JeepLab -
      Quote Originally Posted by UselessPickles View Post
      So how about the dyno chart comparison? Have you put all the comparison stuff on hold until you get caught up with the new Prodigy turbo so you can make this a threesome?
      Not so much holding back the charts for the turbo, I've just been side tracked with some other stuff, and its more than just posting the chart. Im trying to explain the differences at different levels of the RPM band. So I'm getting it all together. It will be up this week. (prob tomorrow) with full review.
    1. JeepLab's Avatar
      JeepLab -
      Ok here are the side by side dyno charts.

      Horsepower first.

      Attachment 468

      Ripp is blue Mag is Red.

      Both Trucks-
      4.10 Gearing
      32" Stock Rubicon Tires
      6spd
      =identical powertrains outside of the SC. The weight and height differences between Betty and Sweet Pea are nulified on the dyno.

      Here's where things between these two killer units become more clear.

      You can feel the way this chart looks when you drive each truck. The Mag power is AMPLE when you hit the gas pedal and stays that way, all the way through the powerband. The RIPP is "finesse" power early, but it goes CRAZY late.
    1. JeepLab's Avatar
      JeepLab -
      So when you glimpse the horse power chart, you think RIPP runs away with it with that surge at the top of the powerband. And it does. IF you look at the chart that way.

      The other way to look at it, is the Red Magnuson line is on top from about 2300 RPM to 4000 RPM. Thats the zone many of us live in on the road.

      This is where you alone can choose a winner for your own purposes.
    1. UselessPickles's Avatar
      UselessPickles -
      Can we get a torque chart that also includes the stock jeep?
    1. JeepLab's Avatar
      JeepLab -
      Quote Originally Posted by UselessPickles View Post
      Can we get a torque chart that also includes the stock jeep?
      Yes, let me dig up the stock dyno and ill add it to the HP chart, then do torque.
    1. UselessPickles's Avatar
      UselessPickles -
      Torque chart is generally more useful to look at than the power chart. Power is quite an abstract and difficult to understand concept, especially when plotted vs RPM. Torque is directly proportional to the amount of acceleration you will experience, at least at lower speeds before drag starts playing a serious role.

      Torque charts will effectively visualize how both stock and Magnuson maintains nearly steady acceleration through the RPM range (Magnuson just has more than stock), compared to the RIPP's acceleration increasing the whole time. You feel acceleration, but you REALLY feel changes in acceleration. With more torque available at lower RPMS, the Magnuson will feel much more impressive as you stomp on the pedal, because it will be a sudden larger change in acceleration than RIPP. But as you keep the pedal buried the RIPP will feel more impressive as acceleration continues to increase. Not just because of eventually having more torque than Magnuson at higher RPMs, but also because of the continuous INCREASE in acceleration; you're body is more sensitive to changes in acceleration. I'd be willing to bet that the RIPP subjectively "feels" faster starting at an RPM a bit lower where the Magnuson is still actually accelerating faster.

      When a gear change (upshifting near redline at full throttle) comes in to play, the RIPP will have a more drastic decrease in acceleration, which will "feel" more disappointing than when upshifting on the Magnuson, even though the RIPP may actually still be accelerating faster than the Manguson right after the upshift. I'll be able to clearly demonstrate this with some fancy acceleration vs. speed (through all gears) graphs, once you send me the dyno run files
    1. JeepLab's Avatar
      JeepLab -
      Here is the same MAG vs. RIPP power chart. This one shows the stock power line also.

      Attachment 477

      These pulls are all in 4th gear. The jeep's stock speed limiter kicks in on the green stock bar, at about 95mph.
    1. UselessPickles's Avatar
      UselessPickles -
      Didn't you have a dyno run of stock in 3rd gear that allowed you to test the full RPM range?
    1. JeepLab's Avatar
      JeepLab -
      Quote Originally Posted by UselessPickles View Post
      Didn't you have a dyno run of stock in 3rd gear that allowed you to test the full RPM range?
      I have the 3rd gear pull for stock, but 4th gear is the better 1 to 1 ratio. I don't have a 3rd gear dyno for the supercharged trucks.

      If you want to see them on the same chart, its going to be in 4th gear. The 3rd gear number I think was about 185, I don't have a supercharged 3rd gear pull to put beside it.
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