ive never heard of it, but it would be a good way to sell kits. Lowers the total cost AND you know its in right. It could be the difference in buying an SC at all.
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That could be the nudge I need. Id make the looooong trip to RIPP if it was an option.
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I still like the looks of Magnuson's low end power range.
Im with this guy^^ but overall, the mag's power band is the sexiest, but these are "Glory" dyno passes, Im sure JL uses cold components, and lets everything cool before running again. What I'm concerned with is the heat soak that Im sure the mag suffers from.
Dyno it once, and then hot lap it, then dyno it again, and the hot numbers will be significantly different from the cold ones. I think the RIPP style suffers from it less.
That would be a good test. Hot superchargers. who loses more power?
A buddy of mine just (last night) took this pic of a Jeep in Kalispell, MT. Looks to me like a RIPP SC in it? Nicely done, whoever you are... You have a butt-tone of mods on that sucker from what I can see. (The embedded photo here makes it hard to see the inner-cooler in the front, not sure if there is a way to make the photo bigger?)
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There is a new tune being worked on, but it is not quite ready for release yet. Once my tuner gets it finished, we will work with the sales department to try and get it out to everyone, however, I don’t have an exact date on when it will be released.
Simon Gale, Lead Tech
Magnuson Products LLC.
first of all thanks for this comparison! its really helping me in deciding on which one to get. im leaning toward the magnuson because of the torque curve. the only thing that has kept me from pulling the trigger is that people are saying that the tune has some issues, such as surging. anyways, i contacted magnuson about the issues (on about 7/11/14) and they said that they will have the tune perfected soon, but they didnt give me an exact date, or where to look for it to be posted. so just wonderin if anyone here or at magnuson has any info on the newest tune or when the surging issues are solved, please post here!
also, jeeplab, do you have any plans to install the 8 psi pulley? if so please post reviews or dyno or whatever!
We have the high altitude pulley for the Ripp unit in my garage. We are about to install that.
We don't have the high altitude pulley for the mag. ill see about getting my hands on it.
Im hoping to have the high altitude pulley on the RIPP this weekend
Is the high altitude pulley going in this weekend?
For all you people having problems with surging my ripp was surging slightly until i dug into the problem more a preset tune is only as good as the person writing the tune. You cant blame the companies for having one truck with a bad tune you have to remember every truck is different and runs differently. To really get your jeep running 100 percent install a wideband gauge so you can monitor your air fuel ratios which is critical to a forced induction motor and pay a local tuner to dial in the air fuels spark fuel delivery at every point in the rpm band so you dont detonate your motor under boost conditions and youll know 100 percent your truck is dialed in and can handle what youll throw at it
A wide band gauge is useless if you don't have the knowledge, skills, and tools to adjust the tune of your vehicle based on the gauge readings.
How much does it cost to have a tuning shop dial in the tune for street driving?
Ive got the AEM wideband gauge and AEM boost gauge that needs to be installed. (Purchased them from Dan from Prodigy when i purchased the stage 1 kit) The shop will be installing this as well when they install my stage 2 and get everything dialed in. Hopefully they can do this Tomorrow before i leave on tuesday for a week..
My tune was 650 my jeep has never been more solid thru out the power band no more surging or hesitation
im a fan of a custom tune. JL's BB tune is pretty much custom as Betty was the 6 speed prototype truck for them. So her tune is not a plug in. Its ripp tuning her perfectly, then sending Betty's tune to the other buyer so the ripp kit.
Pretty cool that people all over the US are driving trucks based on the tuning of Black Betty.
BB was the prototype for the manual trans '12 Ripp kit, But I'm not sure that the current tune is built off her cpu. She has been back to RIPP a few times, and they have released new tunes after, but I think Ripp has a few test trucks now, Im not sure if they are all 12s. Betty was the first Manual trans, but I don't think she is currently the only one.
Whats up with the hi alt kits? Deola just put his in, Is JL's SC's upgraded?
We have the parts, but I havent had my hands on sweet pea in weeks, and Betty has been getting her coilovers reworked.
We are getting around to it. Might even dyno the new pulleys for comparison.
Oh, yes, yes, please dyno!!!
Did you ever find out, do the SC makers really support using High Elevation pully's at sea level? How much extra psi do you expect out of the high elevation pully's? I thought I remember that standard you were getting around 8 psi, correct?
I agree that 650 is a reasonable price for a custom tune if it will really solve issues we users are having. That said, where does one go to find a good tuner and check their references? I'd even be willing to share a custom tune file with the supercharger manufacturer so they can compare to the tunes they are putting out. Perhaps the feedback might help others. We've been patiently waiting for manufacturers to set up test truck and try to replicate customer issues but it's taking quite a while.
Based on what my tuner has told me and from my data logging on my computer the surging people are experiencing near 2k rpm is the engine running very lean for about a second and picks back up also when WOT the air fuel was running extremely rich. For new people to boost a desired number cruising is 14.7 for air fuel anything above is lean and below that number is rich. My tuner told me that ideal air fuel when WOT full boost should be around 11.1 i was running 8.3 and was losing gas out the tail pipe and lost power running that rich. He tuned it and it runs just like a normal factory truck. Ripp did a well job dialing a in box tune so you can drive it all day everyday but i suggest just getting it dialed in spend the money know your engine is running proper i beleive no truck is the same and will run slightly different depending on conditions
As a new JK owner looking to figure out which direction to go I just wanted to say thanks for sharing your experiences.
Really, you are running 3.21 gearing and you got 344 whp? That is awesome. So tell me, how does it drive with your setup? If my finances line up, I'm on the edge of a getting a Magnuson SC, and upgrading to 37" tires (I'm at 35" now.) I imagine 37" tires with my 3.73 ratio will be similar to your 35" tires with the 3.21 ratio, so I'm curious if you feel you need to re-gear (given that we are both manual transmissions, so we can just down shift to a lower gear when needed.)
I wish I could pull the trigger on these items right now, but lately my money has been getting sucked away with family needs. It's amazing how expensive braces are these days for kids! I mean, that's a set of tires right there! Both of them, and that is a supercharger! I'm going to remind them of that when they are older, A LOT. "You like those straight teeth? I hope you do, because your teeth cost me my upgrades on my Jeep. You know how much fun we would have had doing burn-outs and cruisin' around on 37" tires? I hope you appreciate what was sacrificed so you could have straight teeth."
It seems that the higher axle gear (lower number) makes more power on the dyno.
2k13jk making more than black betty using the factors of larger tires, 32 vs 35, and higher gearing 3.21 vs 4.10 makes the hp numbers climb.... Or so the prodigy thread says.
That seemed to be the reason that Jesse's Girl with a turbo and 4.88s made less power than expected.
SOOOOO many variables with these dynos.
Hello everyone! I have been stressing for the past week over what SC to buy.. I live in Utah at 4400 ft. above sea level and on occasion pull a two place Harley trailer or a 20' Ski boat over mountain passes (7000-8000 Ft). They are quoting me 10K for the Maggie (High Altitude Version) with Diablo tuner and a PLX multi gauge to monitor boost, AFR, O2 Sensor, knock and alarms. The price includes before and after Dyno testing and four hours of tuning. My quote for the Ripp SC is 8K for the system, install, tuning and Dyno. Is the extra gauges unnecessary and redundant? What is best for my application as described? Any input is greatly appreciated. System is going on a 2012 four door JK, running 35's with a 4 inch teraflex lift and 4.88 gears, automatic tranny, with Ram Air Intake and Magna flow exhaust.