Turbo for my bunghole?
This is what happens when I run out of facts and figures to talk about. I thrive on data. I think I'm related to this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj-qBUWOYfE
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Turbo for my bunghole?
This is what happens when I run out of facts and figures to talk about. I thrive on data. I think I'm related to this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj-qBUWOYfE
Sitting here with a 2014 Rubicon X Unlimited with a whole 522 miles on it...ready to buy the Maggy and now I find this thread. I have no fingernails left after reading the 16 pages.
Speaking of 16 pages...
I hope a new thread is created when the box IS received. This thread is mostly speculation, rumor, etc. Receiving and unboxing seems like a nice starting point for a new thread about installation, actual details and answers.
There's a rumor going around that there had been more delays, but that production of some pipes (or at least maybe a trial run) was going to happen on this past Saturday. I'm starting that rumor right now. Here's hoping that the pipe production is the last hurdle to shipping out JeepLab's kit, and that it went smoothly.
Prodigy also posted a baseline dyno chart from their 6spd manual Jeep on Facebook this weekend:
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It looks strange to me. The high torque numbers (200 ft-lbs, vs the typical ~170 ft-lbs) could be just a matter of different dynos I suppose. They have clarified that it was a 4th gear pull and that the OEM speed limiter prevented them from running it up to redline. This explains why the chart only goes up to about 5300 rpm. JeepLab ran into this same issue in their supercharger shootout thread.
What doesn't make sense to me is how the torque and power drop off in their chart. Even with the speed limiter, JeepLab's torque was nearly steady in the baseline run, and power kept climbing to the end. They haven't yet commented on that aspect of their chart.
And Jeep Beach is the following weekend. I know Prodigy intends to be there. Looks like we may have to wait until early May :(
I hope not. The suspense is truly killing me.
I think im developing a facial tick and my hair is falling out.
Any news? I need to take a break from harassing them before they apply for a restraining order.
Last I heard was that they planned to install the turbo kit on a 6spd manual yesterday.
I also got this in response to my questions about the strange baseline dyno chart:
Quote:
We will publish results of the dyno after the next pull with the Turbo Kit installed. More explanations at that point.
Speaking of EJS, Jeep beach and turbos...
Fortec 4x4 put a Prodigy Turbo (the existing 3.8 version) on the Jeep that they are taking to those events: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater
They said it performed "flawlessly" on the first day at Moab: https://www.facebook.com/FortecJeep/...51952471765356
This is the first time I've heard of someone seriously off-roading with a turbo kit, so we'll finally find out if a turbo is a bad idea for off-roading like most people claim it would be.
Glad to hear it seems to be working well in moab even if it is the 3.8.
Fortec posted that their week in Moab has come to an end, so I asked for thoughts on the turbo off-road:
I asked for clarification about how it "works against them":Quote:
we can't quite say we were all that impressed with the turbo off-road. In some cases, it actually works against us. The turbo spools at a higher rpm when what we actually need is lower end torque. However... We all agree that the turbo certainly got us to the trails much quicker! We are definitely impressed with it's on road performance. Dyno readings confirmed close to double stock HP.
Just for context, this is the kind of off-roading and crawling they are talking about:Quote:
it was just a matter of throttle control. When crawling, it's a fine line between keeping the rpms where you need them when negotiating an obstacle, and not have the turbo spool up and lurch you forward. It just takes a little getting used to. Overall, we were satisfied with the performance.
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More here: https://www.facebook.com/FortecJeep/...51956731850356
Also, I'm really hoping that Prodigy will have more details to announce by mid next week. It must be high priority right now for them to have info to advertise their new kit(s) at Jeep Beach next week.
This thread is starting to lose me.
Come on already!
Hang in there. We're pretty much freaked out waiting for this to happen as well, but worrying doesn't make the turbo arrive any faster! Its been a crazy few weeks with Jeep events. Fortunately, they do come to a relative calm in the next few weeks. Meanwhile, we'll continue to prepare as best we can.
Sounds like things are on the brink of completion, but Jeep Beach is delaying some things until next week. There may be some new info published in the next few days, though.
I got an answer about ceramic coating the exhaust pipes: "We are not planning on offering this as an option at this point. Maybe in the future, but will be expensive."
Looks like I'll have to take the pipes to a local coating shop for a quote after I get my kit. I was hoping to have a quote for coating BEFORE ordering so I could make appropriate decisions. I might be able to afford only stage 1 + coating and have to save up for stage 2 later. I guess I'll have to start with stage 1, get a quote for coating, then if I can afford the stage 2 upgrade up front still, then order the stage 2 upgrade while pipes are getting coated. Having the turbo in-hand potentially for weeks while waiting for coating and/or a second shipment will be painful.
Still waiting for pricing of the stage 1 and 2 kits too. Too many unknowns for me to have any idea what I'll be able to afford right now.
Just talked to Prodigy. Based on their testing, they feel that ceramic coating is unnecessary and would not be worth the cost if the main goal is just to control heat.
Also got some retail pricing for the manual transmission kits. He asked what year before giving prices, so all I know for sure is that these prices are valid for a 2013 with manual transmission.
(sorry, didn't ask about automatic, but he did mention in an earlier conversation that automatic will cost more)
Stage 1:
No intercooler
5psi boost
$5099
Stage 2:
Intercooler
9psi boost
$6099
Stage 3:
MORE BOOST (no details yet)
$7099
Turbo blanket: $179
Here is a shot of the latest install.
Attachment 696
That's a PRODUCTION stage 1 kit on a manual transmission jeep :). No more prototype.
Here's some more production stuff
Attachment 697
other side of the brochure
Attachment 698
the pile of gear they send isn't terribly intimidating from the bottom of the second picture. Only one way to find out.
Hey folks, I am the newbie on this blog. I have really enjoyed learning about the SC options and was just about to pull the trigger on a Magnuson for my 2014 JKU Rubicon....then I saw this! I wanted to add some additional color on this turbo. I had a good conversation this morning with Dan from Prodigy as he was driving down to Jeep Beach and he said that they should be shipping Stage 1 in the next 10-12 days. He said that they were taking deposits for those wanting to be ahead in the shipping que (I added my name to that list). In terms of pricing for the 3.6 auto, he said that Stage 1 would run $4999.00 and that he would sell Stage 2 when it becomes available for additional $1000.00. He also said that his crew was stoked to be coming to help the folks at JeepLab install this beauty with a full production video.
Can't wait to see the install!!
Keep up the great work Ross!
Brochure says that the turbo is ceramic coated (guessing the turbine housing; the black part). That's cool.
I still want to get some clarification on the standard vs. polished compressor housing. I was told that the only benefit is appearance, but the polished housing also has anti-surge ports. The non-polished turbo pictured in the brochure does NOT have anti-surge ports. That must have some effect on performance. Not absolute peak power numbers, but it should have some effect on how it builds boost or retains spool under certain conditions that would have some effect on responsiveness.
I actually prefer the looks of the non-polished compressor, but would pay extra for the polished/ported housing if it improves throttle response.
That is correct according to Dan at Prodigy. He said that they had actually just dropped off the order for the brochures at the printer as they were headed down to Daytona. One other piece of info Dan gave me was some numbers on the dyno for the automatic. He said that HP rose from 169 to 333 at the wheels and torque increased to 342. I did not write down the stock torque but we all know it is MUCH lower!
Stage 1 kit is listed for sale on Prodigy's website now: http://www.prodigyperformance.com/pr...p/pro-2001.htm
The Stage 1 kit listed does not specify manual or auto. Is it the same kit until you get to the intercooler (Stage 2)?
That seems like a reasonable assumption at this point. The only manual/automatic difference we've heard about is that the automatic will require a trans cooler relocation and/or a custom intercooler.
Then again, I would never order a big ticket item like this online based on assumptions. Better to call and get answers before ordering.
Just put a deposit on a Stage 1 kit. Here are the numbers directly from Dan via email.
Turbo Kit $4999.99
Auto Trans Kit $159.99
Turbo Blanket $179.99 (Optional, but highly recommended)
Total Cost for Stage 1 (Auto) with blanket = $5339.97
They are taking $2500 deposits on their website to get your name in the que. Got to www.prodigyperformance.com and search for "Prodigy Performance Deposit". You will then be able to put a deposit of $2500 down.
Dan's email stated they plan to ship the first units beginning the week of May 4th.:cool:
From Prodigy's facebook:
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Don't miss this deal #turbojeep for 07-11 Stage 1 #gobig $3995 today through Monday
Wow, I need to learn to read better. That special price is for the 3.8 jeep only (07-11). Oops.
Are they suddenly way ahead of schedule on shipping? Posted on Facebook this morning:
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2012-2013 Here we go! #turbojeep 3.6L Pentastar kits now shipping! $4995 #gobig
Here's some pictures:
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Can't wait to see JeepLab's dyno results :)
I don't quite trust Prodigy's dyno charts, especially their stock baseline. I still haven't gotten any explanation of why it is so different (both in shape and numbers) than all other stock wrangler dyno charts. Taken at face value, their dyno chart fails to back up their claim of "huge low end power", found on the first page of the brochure. Best thing to do now is have someone else (JeepLab) attempt to independently reproduce/verify results (science!).
Just a quick heads up, sts turbo are about to release their kit. The intriguing part is it's a oil less turbo. Anyways, just saying you might want to check that out as another option.
Here's a few more tidbits of info...
Catalytic converters are completely removed and replaced with pipe during the install. This is probably a major contributor to the turbo and exhaust piping not causing any under-hood heat issues. For states that require a catalytic converter, they will likely be providing an optional catalytic converter upgrade at some point in the future. For California people, there's no current effort to get CARB approval. It's "intended for off-road use" (wink, wink).
Turbo blankets are available in either matte black, or a "titanium" color (goldish color with a carbon-fiber-like pattern).
Air filters available in red or blue.
You can see the blanket and filter color options in the photos in my previous post.
Blow-off valve? Wes (the owner, tech guru at prodigy) has experience designing various performance systems, including 1000+ hp performance cars. For the Wrangler turbo application in particular, he sees no significant improvement in anything by adding a BOV. I think this is similar to the ceramic coating issue: a BOV would technically have some amount of benefit, but it's not necessary for this application and not worth the cost. I've seen opinions in both directions while trying to research online (no BOV is ok for low boost systems, or MUST ALWAYS HAVE A BOV NO MATTER WHAT!!!). I'm not an expert, so I'll have to trust Wes' judgment on this.
They're doing some more photo shoots this week to get some final photos for their installation guide. The current plan is to have it done by the end of the week.
Stage 1 kits are expected to start shipping out at the end of next week. Their facebook post of the brochure stating "stage 1 now shipping" seems to be a incorrect :(
Finally, there's a rumor that May 10th will be an exciting date.
I'm failing to follow my own advice of waiting to see the comparisons. I am weak. I placed my order today. These next couple weeks will be agonizing. I'm hoping for a May 17th install date.
Also...
JEEPLAB! Clear out your private messages (your inbox is full). Ross, I sent you an email at your jeeplab.com address. Please check.