Wow, I need to learn to read better. That special price is for the 3.8 jeep only (07-11). Oops.
Wow, I need to learn to read better. That special price is for the 3.8 jeep only (07-11). Oops.
Are they suddenly way ahead of schedule on shipping? Posted on Facebook this morning:
2012-2013 Here we go! #turbojeep 3.6L Pentastar kits now shipping! $4995 #gobig
Here's some pictures:
Can't wait to see JeepLab's dyno results
I don't quite trust Prodigy's dyno charts, especially their stock baseline. I still haven't gotten any explanation of why it is so different (both in shape and numbers) than all other stock wrangler dyno charts. Taken at face value, their dyno chart fails to back up their claim of "huge low end power", found on the first page of the brochure. Best thing to do now is have someone else (JeepLab) attempt to independently reproduce/verify results (science!).
Just a quick heads up, sts turbo are about to release their kit. The intriguing part is it's a oil less turbo. Anyways, just saying you might want to check that out as another option.
I had a hard time finding info about this because the STS blog that contains info about it is under construction now. Luckily, Google has a cached copy of it.Originally Posted by GizmoGoat
Cached copy: http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...ngler-3-6l-v6/
Actual link: http://ststurbo.com/blog/sts-turbo-j...ngler-3-6l-v6/
The oil-less turbo being marketed as "less maintenance" and "no dealing with oil" seems funny to me. You have to manually re-grease the bearing occasionally. With Prodigy's oiled turbo, it uses your engine oil via an already available pressurized oil port on the engine. Just change your engine oil as usual. Where is this "dealing with oil" that you avoid with an oil-less turbo?
The "cooler intake temps" claim is also funny. The stock air box is used, so it does not draw in any cooler air. The long air intake piping runs near the engine and near exhaust pipes in some places. The air is then compressed (heat added) by the turbo, and there is no intercooler to cool it down. What is their baseline comparison they use to claim that you'll get "cooler" intake temps? I think they just copied/pasted from marketing for their other systems that have a basic cone filter intake near the turbo under the vehicle, because on those systems, they really are cold air intakes.
The fact that the "tuning package" is an upgrade option (Diablosport tuner, MAP sensor, injectors) kinda worries me. Sounds like it might not come out-of-the-box tuned and ready to drive. That will require some confirmation with STS.
Then there's the general layout of the system. Location of the turbo where it can easily be dunked in water, snagged by things, dragged through mud. And the miles of intake piping. That can't be good for turbo lag.
The best feature I see about this system is that the stock catalytic converters are retained.
Only one way to find out how it really compares. I think JeepLab needs to expand their shootout comparison to include the STS turbo
This is an intricate system. Its sooo cool how they install the turbo in a remote location. My question is, isnt pushing the air that long of a distance, reducing the psi at the intake?I had a hard time finding info about this because the STS blog that contains info about it is under construction now. Luckily, Google has a cached copy of it.
Cached copy: http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...ngler-3-6l-v6/
Actual link: http://ststurbo.com/blog/sts-turbo-j...ngler-3-6l-v6/
The oil-less turbo being marketed as "less maintenance" and "no dealing with oil" seems funny to me. You have to manually re-grease the bearing occasionally. With Prodigy's oiled turbo, it uses your engine oil via an already available pressurized oil port on the engine. Just change your engine oil as usual. Where is this "dealing with oil" that you avoid with an oil-less turbo?
The "cooler intake temps" claim is also funny. The stock air box is used, so it does not draw in any cooler air. The long air intake piping runs near the engine and near exhaust pipes in some places. The air is then compressed (heat added) by the turbo, and there is no intercooler to cool it down. What is their baseline comparison they use to claim that you'll get "cooler" intake temps? I think they just copied/pasted from marketing for their other systems that have a basic cone filter intake near the turbo under the vehicle, because on those systems, they really are cold air intakes.
The fact that the "tuning package" is an upgrade option (Diablosport tuner, MAP sensor, injectors) kinda worries me. Sounds like it might not come out-of-the-box tuned and ready to drive. That will require some confirmation with STS.
Then there's the general layout of the system. Location of the turbo where it can easily be dunked in water, snagged by things, dragged through mud. And the miles of intake piping. That can't be good for turbo lag.
The best feature I see about this system is that the stock catalytic converters are retained.
Only one way to find out how it really compares. I think JeepLab needs to expand their shootout comparison to include the STS turbo
The idea is cool Im less concerned about hitting a rock with it. It would have to be a jagged rock and you'd have to land on it.
Here's a few more tidbits of info...
Catalytic converters are completely removed and replaced with pipe during the install. This is probably a major contributor to the turbo and exhaust piping not causing any under-hood heat issues. For states that require a catalytic converter, they will likely be providing an optional catalytic converter upgrade at some point in the future. For California people, there's no current effort to get CARB approval. It's "intended for off-road use" (wink, wink).
Turbo blankets are available in either matte black, or a "titanium" color (goldish color with a carbon-fiber-like pattern).
Air filters available in red or blue.
You can see the blanket and filter color options in the photos in my previous post.
Blow-off valve? Wes (the owner, tech guru at prodigy) has experience designing various performance systems, including 1000+ hp performance cars. For the Wrangler turbo application in particular, he sees no significant improvement in anything by adding a BOV. I think this is similar to the ceramic coating issue: a BOV would technically have some amount of benefit, but it's not necessary for this application and not worth the cost. I've seen opinions in both directions while trying to research online (no BOV is ok for low boost systems, or MUST ALWAYS HAVE A BOV NO MATTER WHAT!!!). I'm not an expert, so I'll have to trust Wes' judgment on this.
They're doing some more photo shoots this week to get some final photos for their installation guide. The current plan is to have it done by the end of the week.
Stage 1 kits are expected to start shipping out at the end of next week. Their facebook post of the brochure stating "stage 1 now shipping" seems to be a incorrect
Finally, there's a rumor that May 10th will be an exciting date.
I'm failing to follow my own advice of waiting to see the comparisons. I am weak. I placed my order today. These next couple weeks will be agonizing. I'm hoping for a May 17th install date.
Also...
JEEPLAB! Clear out your private messages (your inbox is full). Ross, I sent you an email at your jeeplab.com address. Please check.
What exhaust are you running with this? Stock?
Who is "you"?
Only Prodigy has kits installed and running right now. As far as I know, the 2 test vehicles have stock exhaust.
The system is tuned out-of-the-box for stock exhaust.
I will be running stock exhaust.
I asked a bit about the effects of running aftermarket freer-flowing exhaust. Free-flowing exhaust would likely improve performance some amount. I didn't get a solid answer about whether it would require additional tuning. Sounds like it would just require some data logging, have Prodigy review it and decide whether fine tuning is necessary. Prodigy will generally do email data-log tuning for free during a reasonable time period after the purchase if there's a problem with the original tune, or if you have a non-stock configuration that requires minor tweaking. He said if it turned into something that requires significant testing/tuning, then they would have to start charging for time (presumably applies only to non-stock setups, or requests for fine-tuning after warranty period).
Do not change your exhaust until you get the unit installed. Aftermarket exhausts can be counter productive if the turbo is tuned for specific back pressure.
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